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	<title>Comments on: How To Make a Simple Password &#8211; Unhackable for 580 million years!</title>
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		<title>By: Nasif</title>
		<link>http://www.blogussion.com/blogging-tips/580-million-years-hacker/comment-page-2/#comment-32562</link>
		<dc:creator>Nasif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have symbols in all my password and so stored in document. The problem I face is that I can&#039;t log into emails or social networking site like facebook whenever I am on PC outside my home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>I have symbols in all my password and so stored in document. The problem I face is that I can&#8217;t log into emails or social networking site like facebook whenever I am on PC outside my home</p>
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		<title>By: Andri</title>
		<link>http://www.blogussion.com/blogging-tips/580-million-years-hacker/comment-page-1/#comment-31559</link>
		<dc:creator>Andri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, we have at least 10 characters in password. Thanks for the info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>So, we have at least 10 characters in password. Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: pool lounges</title>
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		<dc:creator>pool lounges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post I must say.. Simple but yet interesting and engaging.. Keep up the awesome work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>Excellent post I must say.. Simple but yet interesting and engaging.. Keep up the awesome work!</p>
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		<title>By: HD Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>HD Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you use a good password generator, like for example http://www.pctools.com/guides/password/ to generate a 12 character password -- all it requires is for you to remember it.

Might also want to create two passwords, one for the &quot;more secure&quot; things like your gmail account, and another for various forums on the internet that might get hacked themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>And if you use a good password generator, like for example <a href="http://www.pctools.com/guides/password/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pctools.com/guides/password/</a> to generate a 12 character password &#8212; all it requires is for you to remember it.</p>
<p>Might also want to create two passwords, one for the &#8220;more secure&#8221; things like your gmail account, and another for various forums on the internet that might get hacked themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Jonsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Jonsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My standard password is 10-12 characters so thanks for assuring me that I&#039;m pretty safe. Of course that I can&#039;t remember all of them - they are stored in KeePass database :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>My standard password is 10-12 characters so thanks for assuring me that I&#8217;m pretty safe. Of course that I can&#8217;t remember all of them &#8211; they are stored in KeePass database <img src='http://www.blogussion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fairmutex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fairmutex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good explanation you have all my respect ;)

But all of this assumes that the passwords are not stored hashed

Because hashing the password will loose some information so that you can never recover the password back. If the password is hashed then it takes less time to guess than described here because multiple passwords map to the same hash. Those who know a bit of math will understand this.

Example with binary (this is not what happens in reality just to give the gist to normal users) 
Assume a password is 3 characters long
Lets say we remove the last character from password so that the password is not recoverable (i know this only need two attempts but am trying to make it simple to you)

 set of passwords    hash
000                        00 
001                        00  
010                        01
100                        10 
101                        10  
110                        11 
111                        11

by removing the last character we made more passwords valid to match the hash in this case its divided by 2.  (its the nature of the example that made this decrease the amount of time to guess linear it might be exponentially reduced in reality)

So don&#039;t be so sure of the accuracy of the calculation above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>Good explanation you have all my respect <img src='http://www.blogussion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But all of this assumes that the passwords are not stored hashed</p>
<p>Because hashing the password will loose some information so that you can never recover the password back. If the password is hashed then it takes less time to guess than described here because multiple passwords map to the same hash. Those who know a bit of math will understand this.</p>
<p>Example with binary (this is not what happens in reality just to give the gist to normal users)<br />
Assume a password is 3 characters long<br />
Lets say we remove the last character from password so that the password is not recoverable (i know this only need two attempts but am trying to make it simple to you)</p>
<p> set of passwords    hash<br />
000                        00<br />
001                        00<br />
010                        01<br />
100                        10<br />
101                        10<br />
110                        11<br />
111                        11</p>
<p>by removing the last character we made more passwords valid to match the hash in this case its divided by 2.  (its the nature of the example that made this decrease the amount of time to guess linear it might be exponentially reduced in reality)</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t be so sure of the accuracy of the calculation above.</p>
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		<title>By: foo bar</title>
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		<dc:creator>foo bar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to my bullet #1:

1) How did you come up w/ 36 combinations. 32 characters in the English alphabet ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>Correction to my bullet #1:</p>
<p>1) How did you come up w/ 36 combinations. 32 characters in the English alphabet &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: foo bar</title>
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		<dc:creator>foo bar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read all of the comments, but I have a few questions about this. 

1) How did you come up w/ 32 characters? 32 letters in the English alphabet, assuming that&#039;s the basis here. numbers 0-9 would make that 41.... I don&#039;t get it.

2) You say  that if number of characters = 1, that would make for 32 combinations. So you&#039;re assuming case-insensitive. You should clarify.

3) Let&#039;s not even go into special characters (they are chars after all).

4) Finally, if someone&#039;s password is the letter &quot;a&quot;, then they deserve to be hacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>I didn&#8217;t read all of the comments, but I have a few questions about this. </p>
<p>1) How did you come up w/ 32 characters? 32 letters in the English alphabet, assuming that&#8217;s the basis here. numbers 0-9 would make that 41&#8230;. I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>2) You say  that if number of characters = 1, that would make for 32 combinations. So you&#8217;re assuming case-insensitive. You should clarify.</p>
<p>3) Let&#8217;s not even go into special characters (they are chars after all).</p>
<p>4) Finally, if someone&#8217;s password is the letter &#8220;a&#8221;, then they deserve to be hacked.</p>
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		<title>By: oes tsetnoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>oes tsetnoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great article tutorial, i am thinking to add more special characters of all my password to prevent hackers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>great article tutorial, i am thinking to add more special characters of all my password to prevent hackers.<br />
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		<title>By: Garry@moistdesigns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garry@moistdesigns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome for anyone to think on this.Simple logic with rationality makes this acceptable.Even if we consider technology updates and other factors and shorten the time by half still it is long enough time to think of another password,isn&#039;t it ;) I liked it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style=""><p>Awesome for anyone to think on this.Simple logic with rationality makes this acceptable.Even if we consider technology updates and other factors and shorten the time by half still it is long enough time to think of another password,isn&#8217;t it <img src='http://www.blogussion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I liked it.</p>
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